This claim is often accompanied with some unverified private anecdote of having met Ballard or seeing a presentation given by him shortly after the discovery of the Titanic in the 1980s. Claim: Titanic split at the same point where the Hawke hit, revealing that it was in fact the Olympic. Also, a coal bunker fire was indeed burning on Titanic, although it was put out before the collision and in any case as it is not explosive would not have caused the damage described (more information here). shelved 11,906 times Showing 30 distinct works. Or is the answer because there is nothing there anyway? There is of course some mystery over what really happened to Titanic's lifeboats after the disaster. During her construction and in this particular photograph the name was not very clear so the photographer took the liberty of sketching it in, which was not an unusual practice of the day. such as Titanic's A Deck promenade which was enclosed by a steel screen with sliding windows, to provide additional shelter, and the promenades on Titanic's B Deck which were reduced in size, and the space used for additional cabins and public rooms, including two luxury suites with private promenades. Deck plans The wind blows through his silver hair. Of course there is no testimony from Ballard himself, or from any of the other expeditions who would clearly have also seen this. 32. Since finishing touches were still being put to the ships accommodation, its hardly surprising that the public was not allowed onboard at Southampton. "iceberg" (or what Gardiner believes was an "IMM rescue ship") interrupted this original plan. In reality, Titanic's starboard B-deck windows were more narrow than the Olympic's as onboard Titanic these areas had been converted into two private verandahs and suites. They also allege that the three wireless messages the Californian sent Titanic were personally addressed to Captain Smith, telling him of her position, as if the Californian was telling Smith that she was ready and waiting. there are many passenger accounts of large quantities of ice, more than what could be explained by what would fall from rigging onto the deck, such as the following: - Able Bodied Seamen William Lucas saw "about a couple of tonsOn the fore-well on the starboard side." The fact that Titanic left Belfast and then Southampton in something of a hurry, with none of the fanfare of the Olympic, just one day of sea trials, no stop in Liverpool, and no opening to the public in either Belfast or Southampton, should not come as surprise at all. But there is a very simple and logical reason that does not necessitate a conspiracy. (This was mentioned in Dan van der Vat and Robin Gardiners 1995 book, The Riddle of the Titanic, page 21.) 25. Claim: The ice on the deck of the Titanic is explained by Gardiner as ice from the rigging of both the Titanic and the mystery ship she hit. Note that of these 6 vessels, 3 were travelling west and 3 were travelling east. huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. To the untrained eye, the exterior differences between the two ships were minor anyway, so would have been deemed an unnecessary amount of extra work that would likely benefit very few. There is no reason to doubt that passengers cancelled their voyage aboard Titanic. In discussing the claim that "Olympic was fitted with Titanics starboard propeller shaft" Mark Chirnside summarises: "There is no evidence that Harland & Wolff ever used one of Titanics propellers, or propeller blades, on Olympic; there is every reason to believe that they would have had a spare Olympic propeller in any case.". - Yes. PRODUCED BY AIVL, WHOI 3. as already discussed here the Olympic's damage from HMS Hawke did not exceed $125,000, and there is independent verification of this fact. 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. It must be noted that the Official Secrets Act of 1911 was specifically concerned with espionage that would benefit enemy military use. and was the first national strike by coal miners in Britain, with the main goal securing a minimum wage. James Cameron took meticulous steps to ensure historical accuracy when creating his 1997 box office hit, Titanic.Since then, Cameron has done extensive research not only on the Titanic itself but the victims of the ill-fated liner. Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a According to Don Lynch and his book "Titanic: An Illustrated History" they did not accompany him on the maiden voyage because they had instead chosen to spend the time on a motor holiday through Wales.. - Fourth Officer Boxhall "a little ice in the well deck covering a space of about three or four feet from the bulwarks right along the well deck, small stuff. (British Enquiry,Day 13) boilers were on. It must also be noted that many of Olympic's westbound crossings had an average speed of 21 and a half. Clutch my hand. Secondly, it is true that the outline of each letter was incised into the hull, and then painted in with a golden/yellow shade. Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection by passengers and crew familiar with the Olympic? performance on her maiden voyage, and as the speed increased, Titanic was well placed to exceed her sisters average speed.". 3. In fact the coal strike ended four days before Titanic sailed (April 6) so there would be an increase in opportunities for shorter crossings. It is true that James Cameron sent a robot into the sitting room of what is called the Millionaire's Suite or Promenade Suite during his 1995 dive. Birma (70 miles) Russian East Asiatic Company Eastbound, New York-Rotterdam-Libau Californian was carrying woolly jumpers and blankets It is a measurement of volume or the enclosed internal space of a ship. 'The Olympic Room' 35. 5. 12. Courtesy Steve Hall. Gardiner of course claims that all documentary records indicating otherwise were falsified in order to perpetuate the insurance fraud which was about to take place. Linoleum flooring covered with carpets His theatre reviews were later collected as You Were Marvellous (1983). Another key component of the 'switch' theory is to state that damage to HMS Hawke was much more substantial. Firstly, Ismay's wife and children did not cancel at the last moment. In fact it had a "double-bottom" since shipbuilders at the time considered a full double hull an unnecessary expense, being satisfied with a double bottom instead. The reality is that Olympic and Titanic had differently pitched propeller blades so they would not have worked to their full potential had the blades been swapped from one ship to the other. The reality: In close-up we can clearly see that the name Titanic was actually sketched on to the negative/photograph to make it more visible and so cannot be used for reference. Titanic was sailing a popular North Atlantic route, known to be busy at that time of year. He holds an undergraduate degree in biomedical engineering with honors from The University of Iowa and completed medical school at The University of . Also several other passengers such as Lady Duff Gordon and Edith Rosenbaum reported ice on the deck. Captain Smith on Titanic Claim: The forged "Titanic" letters have rusted off and reveal a "MP" - part of the word Olympic that was actually engraved or embossed into the original metal panel of the ship. It involves 3 photographs. After a million men had walked out for 37 days the government intervened and ended the strike by passing a minimum wage law. He was predeceased by his brother Johnsey (Betty deceased, Shirley) & sister Carrie (Ray deceased). too difficult and improbable, Gardiner uses this to allege a more deliberate and logical plan. Ballard has written several books between 1987 - 2021 and all state in no uncertain terms that he discovered the Titanic - not the Olympic. There are two keys errors in this hypothesis. Claim: Titanic had 14 bow portholes. Captain Smith was photographed by a newspaper photographer on the bridge of the Titanic. B. Ismay had all the linoleum flooring on the new "RMS Titanic" covered up with new carpet. Most agree that the Titanic split just forward of the third funnel. It must be pointed out that after the Titanic disaster, Olympic's wheelhouse was changed to a rectangular configuration, one of many improvements made during the 1912/13 refit. Olympic's wheelhouse was not curved How could -and why would- a competitor become implicated in a massive and highly complex 'switch' theory, notably without a scrap of evidence to show for it? Carpathia was the planned rescue ship recovered from the wreck but, although in excellent condition, there was no It must first be stated that it is correct that there is a difference between Olympic in Titanic in this regard. The montage was then later created by "AIVL, WHOI" and released by National Geographic on the 100th anniversary of the sinking in March 2012. Fenton developed an early interest in poetry and at 17 traveled to Austria to visit W.H. This is demonstrably false information. week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. One must also suggest - if those behind the 'switch' were so clever so as to be able to switch absolutely everything aboard Olympic/Titanic as to include the numbers 400/401 etched onto the back of wooden panels in all the state rooms (refer to point here) then how is it they would CourtesySteve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank? He always maintained that the iceberg Firstly, to confirm, bulkheads are the upright partitions dividing a ship into compartments, which on Titanic were 'watertight' compartments or bulkheads. However, he does not show a picture of this, nor does he offer any source for this assertion at all. Let's examine an 'actual' documented photograph of Titanic's starboard forward B-deck: Titanic's starboard side, taken around noon on April 11th, 1912, as she is anchored outside Queenstown, Ireland, to take on passengers. It began in January of 1912 However it seems that conspiracy theorists make a deliberate mathematical error, and then label it 'conclusive evidence'. 1 2. There is photographic evidence of this being applied to Titanic, in the first week of March 1912 and which shows the stark contrast between the light grey primer and the fresh black top coat being applied, as seen below. This is a classic example of a 'meme' using demonstrably false information or incorrect images to promote the 'switch' theory, as it can be very easily disproved when looking at documented photographs. It mentions "Paddy the Pig" aka James Fenton. I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage, 25. James Cameron had his work cut out for him when it came to getting Leonardo DiCaprio to star in "Titanic." The famed director was honored with a Hand and Footprint Ceremony at the TCL Chinese . Difference in tonnage 7. Compare the two videos below -one is the real footage of the Titanic name on the wreck, one is fake. in the Government. Both had the same configuration of portholes in March 1912. Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to, 44. but would have perhaps slowed the rate of sinking. He had called This claim is often mentioned alongside the above claim about the apparent discrepancy in the number of portholes on Titanic's port side bow. After this documentary went to air Steve Hall co-authored a new book Titanic or Olympic: Which Ship Sank? Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. Titanic prior to her departure on her maiden voyage. Also, as discussed in point number 16 above, there was less interest in Titanic's maiden voyage, as her older sister had proceeded her. THIS IS NOT A THEORY. The crossing from Belfast to Southampton was a short crossing, while the North Atlantic route (Southampton to New York) was much longer. In my view it is very unlikely that the damage was more significant than was admitted at the time. 20. Ship's Bell with no name on it Most tellingly, if indeed "a large proportion of the engine crew" refused to work aboard Titanic because of rumours of a 'switch,' then why did these crewmen not speak out, especially after the disaster? Baber compiled a list of Morgan's returns from Europe from 1904 to 1912 and "only twice (1908 and 1910) in those years did he return to New York from Europe before July, and in one of those years (1908) he returned that early only to attend a family wedding, heading back to Europe a few days later and staying there until late August." Explorers from the Woods Hole Oceanic Institution used robotic vehicles to collect images during programmed sweeps of the wreck. (courtesy Steve Hall), According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, "the two additional portholes on Olympic were added about March 1912 during her short stay in Belfast and before the maiden voyage of Titanic. More tellingly, this does not look like repair work - considering that this was supposed to have been completely repaired and seaworthy. To be able to go into that room and see that marble fireplace still sitting there Olympic was damaged badly enough to force the voyage to be cancelled. Oh, I beg your pardon; they were on the Oceanic; but on the Titanic they had been provided coming round from Belfast? Sorry, no evidence of conspiracy here, just a touched up photograph. The collision with an Claim: The Olympic was recorded as having a tonnage of around 45,000, while the Titanic weighed in [sic] at about 46,000. the Olympic. In fact his comment was made at least 30 years after the disaster (he was 20 while aboard Titanic), so could well have been an exaggeration. Claim: J. This is true - but also should to any informed reader be completely without surprise or hint of conspiracy. In 1973 Terminal Moraine (1972), his first full-length collection of poetry, won the Eric Gregory Award. Olympic officers on the bridge However, as already established (in this point here) Titanic was, in fact, under-insured by $2.5 million. James A. Fenton aka "Paddy the Pig" Paddy Fenton is someone who had told his fellow seamen that they were in fact switched. Order. While the Californian was primarily designed to transport cotton, there is absolutely no evidence that it had a Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge investigated this account in their book Olympic had 16 bow portholes. principal constituent of IMM and enjoyed continued prosperity, its profit It makes complete sense that the local Belfast runners did not sign up for a transatlantic maiden voyage that they were not experienced or interested in doing (losing all the local jobs they were used to) when local Southampton crew were used to such "long-haul" trips. James Fenton | Poetry Foundation Second Class also had an open promenade on the aft end of the Boat Deck, and enclosed ones on B Deck and C Decks. Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the His answer, as it was in relation to the wreck only, is because "the wreck wasn't 100% confirmed until Jim Cameron's expedition in 2010/11 i.e. And that paneling" This has led some to believe that Titanic's first class dining room, unlike the Olympic, was in fact carpeted over, as later portrayed in James Cameron's film "Titanic". Against the forward steel wall, the faux marble fireplace with its bronze details seems in perfect condition." It is not surprising that even Frank Finch doubted the third-hand story he relayed. Firstly Titanic was not a "steel double-hulled vessel". Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. 12 said that the Frenchman jumped in before the boat was lowered, indicating that he did jump from the boat deck into the boat. But most critically, there is no photographic evidence or -most noticeably- testimony from Dr Robert Ballard regarding this suspect "longitudinal bulkhead." Claim: The surviving crew were detained overnight and forced to sign a pledge under the 'Official Secrets Act', promising to keep secret forever, the actual events of the night of 14th / 15th April, 1912. The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . 2. However Southampton, (which had replaced Liverpool as a major international hub) was where transatlantic liners such as what White Star and Cunard operated were based, and hence the crew based in Southampton were experienced, international crew. (Click to enlarge). But for arguments sake let's take the larger of the two - the certified capacity number of both passengers and crew. certainly not be unusual to discover a bulkhead in the stern of the wreck of Olympic, Titanic or Britannic and certainly does not prove a 'switch'. Titanic was in fact what the White Star Line called "Olympic Class" - so in effect had the name "Olympic" on her already. seemingly confuses the two in name. of the surviving crew. James Fenton (b. They were only just entering the icefield. But also there would be no need to. When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard, answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean.". Linoleum flooring covered with carpets, 34. Ever since "Titanic" came out 25 years ago, a debate has arisen about a pivotal scene toward the end that has become almost as iconic as the film itself. Proportionally less than Titanic!" I was wondering if there was enough information available about the conspiracy theories to warrant expansion or even a separate article. To add more books, click here . These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the windows on B-deck -which should not be surprising as two private verandahs and suites were added to this section of the ship after its launch. Florence Ismay (wife of J Bruce Ismay, chairman of White Star) also cancelled along with their children, and just like Morgan she said she was ill, and instead went on a motoring holiday! 19. (Click to enlarge), Titanic author Steve Hall summarises the porthole history: "At the time of the Titanic's launch there were 14 portholes in the port side plating between the focsle deck and the sheer line of the hull, but by December the same year, the ship was fitted with an additional 2 portholes, giving her a total of 16. full speed. The Blue Vein River is broad and deep. Difference in port side joint plating If a number of people had cancelled because of some sort of fear of a switch or insurance scam going on, it seems very likely that they would have spoken out after the disaster. Not content with an insurance scam 'switch' he also proposes that Titanic (really Olympic) hit, not an iceberg, but an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. Although Fenton is absent from all the available crew lists, it doesn't immediately negate his story - the lists are not infallible, and we all saw how Leonardo Di- er, Jack Dawson blagged his . Promenade Suites, identical to Olympic's. B-deck window spacing on the wreck 24. The wheelhouse actually sits within the bridge enclosure and behind the forward bulwark (see deck plans below). Stick to the path. from a Sky TV show entitled "Conspiracies", presented byDanny Wallace. Local "runners". name on it. The ship being ready to steam was simply because they were trapped by ice and at the earliest time possible would want to continue their journey. Two libretti and an oratorio were published as The Love Bomb (2003). Importantly, Goodwin Antiques 295 $361.88 345.06 Silver Enamelled Bracelet Recess Antiques 50.00 $61.34 58.49 Silver Blade Fruit Knife . No, and for one very simple reason: it is a faux marble fireplace. the committee, announcing that he will be in Venice on April 23 for the inauguration of the biennial International Art Exhibition, April 25, and dedicate the new Campanile of St. This would seem very odd considering the fact that people were paying for Titanic's maiden voyage and not the Olympics maiden voyage. But this should not misconstrued as anything unusual, but common practice for a company which suddenly comes under media scrutiny and wants to maintain Damage from Olympic's collision with Hawke was more significant But to claim this was "done deliberately to help with a switch" is misleading to say the least - and such a ploy would be mostly ineffective on people in 1912 who were largely unconcerned with such technical inaccuracy in promotional material. On Olympic the fireplace was at the outer wall between two windows. This has already been discussed here. 45,324. 'Faux' as in false or imitation. Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. One issue with this theory is that Secondly, and rather importantly, the names were not engraved on the lifeboats. This was the number that was given to Titanic when it was being built in Belfast, Ireland. For more information on the conspiracy theory that J.P. Morgan was protecting the formation of the Federal Reserve, please check this page here. Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the, 49. We know that Titanic had spare propellers made (as after the disaster they were used for memorials) so it would not be unreasonable to expect Olympic was the same. Estimated at over $160 million today, this is more than they could ever have recovered if they had sold or scrapped her. Though his verse often treated serious subjects such as political repression and violence, he deployed humour and whimsy with a liberal hand. Difference in Titanic's name plate Fenton was made a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature in 1983. The proceeds financed his journey that year to Cambodia, where he reported on the Khmer Rouge, and then to Vietnam, where he witnessed the fall of Saigon (now Ho Chi Minh City) in April 1975. To use this as evidence that it was actually the Olympic is certainly jumping to an extreme conclusion, especially with such a lack of supporting evidence. The reality is that Olympic's yard number 400 is all over the scrapped items - and this is documented: (see more information on this here). Claims for this range from "two of the firemen, boiler stokers and greasers" to "a large proportion of the engine crew" to the specific number of 173 who 'preferred to wait for employment on another ship.' It is true that a list to port was observed by passengers Lawrence Beesley (in The Loss of the S.S.Titanic) and Norman Chambers (US Inquiry). And how much ice would be on rigging anyway? At present I have found no evidence of a room named "The Olympic Room" on Titanic, however it would not be surprising. Fitting out photographs 14. He continues that on the starboard side Steward Wheelton met Thomas Andrews on B Deck and that the boats were visible from the corridor on B Deck. It clearly occurred in a different part of the ship than where the Titanic split. Not to mention the difficulty in changing the shell-plating at the bow and stern which bore the ships names - the names were not just painted on the plates, they were cut into the plates in letters four feet high and one-half inch deep that were then filled in with paint. However, there are several large issues with this theory. Though most of his work was ultimately discarded, Fenton was nonetheless contracted to receive somewhat less than 1 percent of royalties, which, because of the overwhelming international success of the musical, amounted to a substantial sum that made him independently wealthy. But please read this information first, where it clearly shows that Lloyds records do not agree with this at all. Firstly it must be pointed out that Titanic was technically not going "full steam" at the time of the collision. 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